Stage 4 Kidney Cancer Survivor & Podcaster - Amazing Story!
Hi, Friend!
I hope you have been doing well! šš I am thrilled to be able to share this incredible interview with you of stage 4 kidney cancer survivor and the host of the Leave Your Mark podcast, Vince Cortese!
In late 2015 Vince had not been feeling well and was on his way to the doctor when he collapsed, was taken into the emergency room and found to have kidney cancer with a 12-pound tumor that spread into his heart and filled 80% of the left ventricle. The doctors gave Vince a 30-day life expectancy but said he may not wake up the next day since the blockage of his heart was so severe. He ended up having a 12-hour surgery to remove the cancer, which extended his life expectancy to 13 months. However, with a 90-day gap in his medical care due to moving across the country and changing his medical insurance, the cancer spread to his ribs, collarbone, lungs, femur, 3 vertebrae in his spine, his right lung and his liver in just 4 months.
Things looked very, very grim. In his own words: "It was so overwhelming I literally laughed, it was like, āI donāt have a chance.ā Yet, he felt that he had more life to live. Vince waited for a new immunotherapy to become available and started on Christmas Eve; however that left him in the ICU after just the first dose and crippled in a wheelchair.
"The human spirit is not measurable. When we decide weāre going to fight back weāre capable of things that are going to knock our socks off... I marvel at how much the human body can take, knowing what the cancer and the medication put my body through and to be as healthy as I currently am, these are really hard to wrap my mind around."
Though it was extremely difficult, Vince fought back every day to go for a walk with his walker, because that's what he loved to do. āFight backā may be: youāre on a drug that suppresses your appetite and you need to eat, and when you smell food it makes you want to throw up. You need to fight to get the food down, and those are the kinds of battles you go through when you have cancer."
Vince gives credit to nutrition, supplementation and ultimately his relationship with God that got him through to where he is today: "I wasnāt the one to memorize Scripture but thereās one that struck the deepest to me is, āWhen you are at your weakest Iām at my strongest.ā [2 Corinthians 12:10] I was clear to let go and let God do His work... I didnāt have anything left to give. So what I did have to give, I gave it to God."
Vince is in remission, 7.5 years since the surgery and 3.5 years since finishing immunotherapy treatments, though his doctors won't admit he is cancer-free or share his medical records for public viewing (which makes me feel even more fortunate that I am able to share my records). Vince is so grateful for the gifts his experiences have brought him:
"Life teaches and thatās the only way to learn. Life is so much fuller, I said it by accident to a friend of mine. He asked āWhatās it like?ā And I said, āThe best way I could describe it is life was 3D, now itās 4k.ā Thereās just so much more going on because my level of awareness is so much greater. When you become more aware youāre more in the present, and thatās where God rests. You feel like you were given the answers to the test, and youāre like, āIt was really this easy all the time? Why did I have to go through that to get here?... But you just have to keep reaching toward Him."
Now Vince is living a full life as host of the successful podcast called Leave Your Mark, featuring guests such as former Pittsburgh Steelers players Mel Blount and Charlie Batch, who has a school for kids with autism; former announcer for the Penguins, Pirates and Steelers, Stan Savran; as well as entrepreneurs, cancer survivors and others with incredible stories of perseverance.
On his second chance at life now at 60 years old, Vince says, "Itās kinda funny, I donāt know, itās like everything is going my way. Iām on the completely other side of life. Before I was misfortunate, now Iām fortunate. Before it was bad luck, now itās good luck. I really feel most gratefulā¦ thatās not my doing again again, thatās my God doing that. Iām enjoying the ride, like never before."
You can read the entire transcripts of our interview and watch the video by clicking on the photo below and find more about Vince and his podcast episodes on his website, leaveyourmarkvc.com and at the links below:
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š¶š§ Let Go, Let God by Jordan St. Cyr
2 Corinthians 12:10 Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christās sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.
00:30 How did you get diagnosed with cancer?
A: Health had been declining, having some hardship in life, stress level was high. A lot of things went on leading up to having cancer so he wasnāt surprised because of the level of stress. A year of night sweats, not every night, occasional, about a ten month window. As it progressed had episodes of losing control of balance, would fall or had a couple blackouts, would come back to and finally had one on the way to see the doctor and found out in the ER that it was cancer that had metastasized in his body. The initial scan was only in the lower and where he had the most pain. It was a 12 pound tumor that had encapsulated his body. Knew he was in pretty bad shape. Through those night sweats probably lost about 83 pounds.
2:30 Had never experienced fatigued before. Had seen his PCP for about 6 months before he got the diagnosis. Cancer doesnāt reveal itself until itās in a nightmare scenario. Went to UCLA for full body scans CT, MRI, X rays the tumor clotted and went up vena cava, blocked 80% of the left ventricle of his heart. They were mad he didnāt come in earlier but it hadnāt been consistent. He thought he was going to be ok, cancer never crossed his mind.
4:30 How long did the difficult time last leading up to your cancer diagnosis?
A: Probably about 4.5 years. Had a business that did 5 digits per month and he was enjoying that; then that marriage and business fell apart. Like a house of cards, everything fell at once. How low can you go? Ended up with a 30 day life expectancy. What would you do with 30 days left to live? They told him he might not wake up the next day because of the clotting and the rate of metastasizing around the heart, it might stop the heart from beating and his lungs could fill with blood. They didnāt know how much time he had left; the urgency was huge.
Dr. Chamie had to recruit a team of doctors. They estimated a 12 hour surgery. There were 4 oncologists to address the cancer and remove the kidney and 4 cardiologists as his heart was out of his chest for 125 minutes. 8 sets of handsā¦ 3 anesthesiologists. They performed a cut and suck procedure, vacuuming the cancer and scraping it off the organ. There is no room for error. If the cancer burst that would be the end and he wouldnāt survive more than 30 days because it would spread throughout his whole body. It turned out it had; they couldnāt do a triple operation but it was miraculous in so many ways that he survived that double operation. However the cancer was still in his lungs. Maybe would have 13 months before heād had to address it again, which he did. Mentally he went in a lot of different places. Really had a hard time identifying that he had cancer. Something inside of him said heās not the guy who gets cancer.
8:25 Thinks that helped his healing because his self-talk directed his subconscious in a positive direction, his God to see that he was still in the fight. Let it go at that, didnāt give it more thinking than that. But the second time around it was more painful. Was losing a lot of dexterity; things that were habitually easy to do were now difficult. Felt like he was aging very quickly. Constantly felt stiff, range of motion, ability to sit up and get up. Felt sluggish. Picked up. The savior the second round was the immunotherapy drug on Christmas Eve. Went to ICU for four days after the first dose. Knew he was 83 lbs lighter and on deathās doorstep again. No operation would save him in round two. The medication would have to work. As designed, it did. His immune system had failed and he got cancer, but now it would be strong enough to heal him.
10:18 Really believes that the focus he had on the Holy Spirit in him and the trust he had in believing that His best for him would play out, whether he lived or died, he was confident of that either way, āand here I am to talk to you here today.ā Doesnāt think anybody at UPMC can really describe what happened. They never gave him a remission status. Scan in August, the last for a period of three years. Been on the complete ascension of getting better and better; dexterity and mobility is coming back. 7.5 years since the operation and heās still experiencing the effects of the surgery and the remnants of the cancer beating him up.
11:28 When did you first have a clear scan? You said that it had spread, or first, where else did it spread, besides your heart?
A: When he moved from CA to PA he was told he would be covered by insurance for his pre-existing condition, but nothing happened for 90 days. The same routine scan he had done in CA was repeated, basically, when he got to PA. The scan showed the spot that was already in his lung, but then it showed it was also in his other lung. It looked like the cancer had the potential to spread more and it did. There was a 90 day gap with no medications and no coverage. They were back on track for it to metastasize and it did. As fast as the next four months, he got it in 7 ribs, collarbone; hard tissue and soft tissue; in lungs, femur, 3 vertebrae in his spine, in his right lung, and in his liver. Both hard and soft tissue; it didnāt get into lymph nodes but if it did he doesnāt know if he would have survived. Believes in his faith, his trust in God and the timing of the medicine, itās not a single miracle. Canāt wrap his mind around all the healing that had to occur to get his life back. āYour Godā¦ youāre so fortunate in so many ways, you just have no idea, itās so beyond your understanding. Itās the beauty and the experience of having that trust and allowing it to become real. That which is unseen is real now. Life is so much better in so many ways. Iām grateful to have had that happen to me.ā
14:15 What was your diet like leading up to your diagnosis? (I know it was part of your healing process.)
With the job situation I was really in the fast food thing, eating what I could afford rather than eating what I needed to eat. The food, along with the stress I was incurring, it was a contributing factor. It was funny because when I realized I was going to make it, I have so much to learn about food. The learning curve was on. I was so upset to find out how much food in our stores, 80% of it is not good for you. This idea that fake ingredients are permitted since the 70s, or late 60s, then you begin to realize that cancer, heart disease and these things are prominent in America, why is that? Theyāre not doing us any favor with what theyāre giving us on a daily dose. And then when you have a lot of stress with whatās going on in your personal life and youāre taking that food, itās almost inevitable that your body is going to break down. My diet was atrocious - pizza, burgers, hot dogs, tacos, nothing like a home cooked meal/healthy balanced diet; thatās where I rest now. What lifeās like without those levels of stress and how you can heal and move forward when that environment is all appropriate.
16:45 So diet was part of your healing process, your mindset, believing you could get better, right?
A: Yes, I also went to great lengths, found out I had two root canals and I didnāt know it was considered a dead tooth, which can leach poison into your blood and I already had a contaminated bloodstream from the cancer; so I went into a purist mindset. I was juicing in the beginning of the healing process but had three teeth removed that had root canals. I got rid of any fragrance - deodorant, soap - or flavored toothpaste - no fluoride - any of these things that were harmful to my sistem. If it was in there before it wonāt go in there again. Incorporating the diet and the mindset of those small things that are habitual, which you donāt give a second thought to; donāt do fabric softener or detergent that has fragrance in it either because those things go into your skin. Your skin is like a sponge, youāll ingest those things; then when you add stress, poor diet, lack of sleep, you have a recipe for cancer or something like it. Those things become obvious.
18:30 Where did you learn these things?
A: Fortunate there was a cancer group at the local church where the one lady was a former nurse and she cultivated a library for people who had cancer, family members, caregivers. She was a huge resource. I literally had like an encyclopedia of content to look at. Had peace of mind that he would find what would match his situation; though thereās so much information, itās like how can I cut through all of this? Once you get your match with what your situation is, then itās pretty straightforward. At first I said I donāt care if I like what this tastes like, Iām going to make my food my medicine. I had the mindset that Iād learn to acquire a taste for this, so it was kinda funny I had to talk myself into enjoying it. Then when your body gets used to it you would crave it. I was completely now on the other side of the stress and poor diet. I was pulling myself out of it but just staying focused.
20:05 Can you talk a little bit more about your stress and how that changed/how you were able to manage it better?
A: Whatās interesting is I went to LA for the wrong reasons, seeking money. I was looking for what was going to make me healthy. I did that through an apparel business, which I was pretty good at. But it wouldnāt be my fate. I have been spiritual my whole life, brought up Catholic. My mother is a twin sister; her sister was [into] open Christianity, so we were exposed to both religions in our youth. So God was always something simple for me; somebody Iād have a talk with. It wasnāt all sophisticated with a lot of rules and things of this nature; I was able to tap into that a lot easier. But I didnāt really feel like prior to being sick I was really in alignment with it being on the other side of sick and healing. We can lie to ourselves or not allow ourselves to see the truth. In the process we find our true identity on the other side. Iām not actually somebody who is money hungry, even though thatās what I was doing. That wasnāt Godās will for me. When you line up for Godās will for you; life changes; itās just different.
22:00 Were there any spiritual practices or ways that you figured out that those things were not for you?
A: I didnāt want to have any judgment toward it; if it was something that was intended to be positive, if that was the method that those people did it then it was ok with me. I would look at myself as being chameleon-like that way. I didnāt have judgment if it wasnāt the same way that I learned, if it was more of an energy thing. If it was the same energy he felt, even if it was different words, it was still God, just to let Him speak to you another way. It wasnāt any different, you still felt the same grace, all the goodness.
Q: So through prayer?
A: I did a lot of journaling; it was good for me to write down and measure where I was and how far Iāve come. I was pretty beat up physically, learning how to walk again and feed myself; it was extremely humbling; I used to be athletic and was in a wheelchair; I didnāt want it to last that long. I was eager to get on my feet again; I went to a walker right away, so that was the beginning of the progression, when I was walking again. I still get up and walk a mile and a half each day because theyāre two things I appreciate the most.
24:05 Was Bible reading and church part of your recovery?
A: Yes, I went back, got involved in the middle school kids, 12 year old boys in catechism in the Catholic church, and helped with videos to promote the church, and part of their cancer ministry as well. The cancer ministry was difficult because people were in much worse condition than I was; youād see people who didnāt have the mindset that they could overcome it. They were scared and you could tell they were going to be overcome by it; they didnāt have the ability to fight back. Itās kind of interesting, āfight backā may be: youāre on a drug that suppresses your appetite and you need to eat, and when you smell food it makes you want to throw up. You need to fight to get the food down, and those are the kinds of battles you go through when you have cancer and things of the sort. The torturous part for me was that I was hungry but the whole wall of being nauseous and it was going to come up out of my belly was awful; when I was on those types of drugs, when I went off them it wasnāt an issue, but it was probably 8 months, and it was really hard.
26:05 Q: Were there any tips or tricks that you found that helped you deal with the side effects from the treatment?
A: Sleep helped a lot - drinking water helped a lot. Iād try to learn to do stretching or yoga and focus on breathing/holding position. It was really important to me to get my mobility back; I could see myself and my strength getting better, and it was encouraging. I was coming from square one; the ability to sit on the floor and touch my toes was a big deal. It was a big deal to get out of the wheelchair. You take the little wins day by day. I really felt confident that just because I made it through the operation and because the medicine I was taking was working that I was going to stick around, because it was a momentum thing in my body. I felt that when I was getting sick, I was getting sicker and sicker and sicker. Whereas now Iām getting better and better and better. I can tell my body - the morning walks, drinking more water, the habitual things are paying off now, 3, 4 or 5 years later for sure.
28:00 Going back to the immunotherapy treatment, how did your doctors determine which treatment would be appropriate for you? Did your doctors test the tumor?
A: They biopsied the tumor. They knew that the drug that would be available wasnāt on the market yet. It would be the legality in 2015; I held on until Christmas Eve; until it made it to the market. I was one of 17 people who took the drug. As far as I know I was the only one who took the drug and healed. A lot of people didnāt make it, a lot of people were on one or more other drugs; Iām 3.5 years removed now from actually taking the drug.
29:15 Do you know if they (the other people on the drug) did any of the other things that you did like stress management, sleep, nutrition, exercise?
A: I went with a dietitian over there but felt like it was more traditional. I went off dairy, besides ripping my teeth out, because I didnāt want to put more bacteria into my body and my cancer feed off of that; one of my friends said itās like drinking pus anyway. That steered me away. Sometimes I have a hard time eating cheese thinking about that. Is that true? Thatās terrible. But anyhowā¦ I cut out the dairy; these little chips in with the teeth, the deodorant, no fluoride in toothpaste, it makes a big difference. Now Iām progressing to the next level of juicing ā finding out what beet juice does, celery juice does, and mixing different cocktails of juicing. Differences between juicing fruits and vegetables, primarily just vegetables. And now Iām into macro nutrients and micro nutrients. I was just a vitamins and minerals guy a while ago. But the learningā¦ and you come across other people who are complete purists like Chris Beat Cancer. The level of discipline he had is admirable.
31:22 I would go down that road, it was so difficult to maintain but it was also, I had begun to experience the recovery, I didnāt need the discipline so much on the diet because the medication was working; I focused on getting a lot of sleep, getting my walk and drinking a lot of water. That was as simple as I could keep it. But then I learned so much about diet. Itās a tragedy whatās going on in America with our food. Weāre feeding people garbage and the results theyāre getting on the other sideā¦ of the modern day illnesses and diseases. Itās because of the food, itās terrible; itās a terrible quality and it doesnāt have to be, which is disturbing.
Bailey: Itās either fuel or poison for our bodies.
Vince: For sure.
32:30 Vince, did you take supplements during your treatment?
A: I didnāt take supplements during treatment; after treatments I met a gentleman who claimed you do a DNA swab and they take your DNA and claim they can give you a vitamin that can detox your DNA, made specifically for you off your DNA. Itās one of those cryotherapy, where you gotta go in. Iām a believer that icing things down helps the beginning of the healing processā¦ so why wouldnāt freezing your body down work in the same way? So I tried it. After 90 days, after the first 30 days I began to feel really, really good. What came of it is I had another 10 day platform where that went up and it stayed there. And the next 60-90 days I didnāt feel a difference so I didnāt know if it was my health or the pills, and they were rather expensive, so I went off of them. I actually maintained where I was, so my thought was it actually detoxed me because I didnāt have that fog or tiredness anymore. But I also had incorporated health habits with sleep, diet and exercise. And I think all things contributed to me staying at that plateau.
34:33 So it was genetically tailored vitamins and nutrients.
A: Yeah. It was all natural ingredients like ashwagandha and things like that. Probably 26 different ingredients for my blood type and DNA. I actually had a pretty clean bill of health when I started it. So when I was done I was definitely cleaner than when I started, according to their scale. I had felt it and I hit the plateau; and I thought the previous detoxes I had done in other areas of my body worked that way too. I felt better, didnāt go back to sluggish right away, but thatās why I did it, so I wouldnāt feel that way anymore.
35:40 What was the name of it, do you remember?
A: Uforia. I believe it was an MLM. If you donāt have an agent theyāll put somebody in front of you and send something in the mail or have someone local meet up with you. They swab your nose then theyāre good to go and they send you the stuff. Itās $180 per month, so itās not cheap. For a detox, I took it for 90 days. About 10 days in I started feeling really good. Windows in the day I started feeling tired but I wasnāt. I was able to stay a bit more focused while reading on the internet. I experienced better focus and better rest.
37:15 You mentioned there were other detoxes you did?
A: Yeah, I did, had the detox where I was gonna work on my health for my 50 for the big proctology exam, so I did colon cleanses. A lot of mood and energy swings, the best part is the energy you have. I do psyllium husk regularly. I get 35 grams fiber per day but I do it before bed. I am completely regular but when I wake up my stomach is balanced. Whatever I start the day with is crucial, I start with an avocado, protein driven because Iām going to be active right away. These things have become habits. Now when I wake up and go through these routines Iām not even thinking about it now, five years later. It was really important to me to create that core lifestyle moving forward. Nobody wants to get sick. Itās only more difficult as you get older because you get more stiff, you donāt need as many calories. Get your sleep, drink water, eat smart and be active - which may just mean be vertical and take a walk. You have legs to walk, not legs to sit. So go use them, it plays to your benefit.
39:23 What kind of colon cleanses did you do?
A: I would drink a tea, then I had capsules. It was a green tea cleanse. It wasnāt horrible or anything, you were in the bathroom a lot. Energy was fantastic, I did it about 4 times from about 35 to 50.
40:00 Q: How old were you when you were diagnosed?
A: I was 51. [Now Iām] 59, on the cusp of 60, Iām holding on. Itās just a number, when you know you maintain your health and maintain a soft spirit and allow God to pour His grace on you. Itās hard to not smile and not feel good. Just sitting around and being grateful for all thatās going on in my life. Iām getting to be myself on a podcast and share the good news of other people surviving like me and talk to people like you. I get to share with other people that you can have hope. I wasnāt the one to memorize Scripture but thereās one that struck the deepest to me is, āWhen you are at your weakest Iām at my strongest.ā [2 Corinthians 12:10] For me it couldnāt have been more clear, because I was clear to let go and let God do His work, and itās because of that mindset, I didnāt have anything left to give. So what I did have to give, I gave it to God.
41:40 And God worked through you.
A: Yepā¦ Itās awesome.
41:50 (Curenav) Iām so grateful to have been invited, Iād like to share your story with all my patients I work with at Curenav, because theyāre looking for hope. And I think that your story can help them with that a lot. Anxiety, keeping focused on nutrition. Finding that outlet, a way to find that energy. A lot of them are confused about nutrition and theyāre not sure where their energy is coming from, so Iām glad I got to hear your story.
A: Youāre welcome, Iām glad I get to share.
Bailey: So powerful, your story, Vince, in many ways.
Vince: Yeah, so much that went on in such a short window and how sometimes moments just get micro - they get really granular, you go way in, way in, way in, and it almost felt like the deeper in you would get or where I was, I was most comfortable being in Godās presence, realizing that thatās where He was speaking the loudest. And I preferred to be there. I felt I was weak, but I felt strong at the same time. It was most comforting. It felt like I was further on the edge, but I was closer to being comforted. It was just a feeling that would come over me. So I really thank God for that. My mind couldāve gone in so many other places. But to go there as quickly as it would happen and to find that peace that quickly, and there was really no other place else I wanted to be. The healing happened a lot quicker. It was almost like a joining of my will with Godās will.
44:17 Bailey: Obviously itās had a tremendous impact on you emotionally. I love that you said earlier how you wouldnāt have wanted it any other way. Youāre grateful for what you have now because of what you went through, and thatās really really hard when weāre in it, in the most difficult process. But also like you said, you had the mindset that it was temporary, that you were going to get through it. And just to rest in the comfort of God and His presence. Itās just so impactful and powerful, so thank you for sharing that.
45:15: Curenav: I want to learn more about organic products like when someone makes a lotion from goatās milk that has a fragrance - thatās something that I use daily. I need to drink more water. Vince, did you notice a difference in your skin, do you drink much water and do you use lotion?
Vince: I drink alkaline water; I did want to use the one with the electronic process, thereās the Kaegen filter but I don't use that. The idea was to build my bones first; I drink collagen daily in a beverage, either tea or coffee (coffee black, no dairy, if I drink it). The alkaline water has a pH of 9. The collagen goes from the bone marrow out - if I make my bone strong then I build a strong core; I can build me. My lotion is coconut oil, all over my body and in my hair, I also add it to my drinks.
Curenav: I used to do that and I think Iāll go back to it, thank you.
Vince: To answer your part about the organic food you notice a difference in that too. I notice more when Iām juicing; organic vegetables versus store bought (conventional) vegetables. Itās probably what itās grown in than the pesticides on top. To me, the regular grocer is whatās like the produce is doubly contaminated - how it was grown and the ground in which it was grown. Whereas, the organic is all natural compost and thereās no chemicals on it, so there was emphatically a different feeling. Kinda like the difference between a roasted piece of chicken versus fried chicken, how your stomach feel after you eat those, and that would be the difference between organic food versus the processed or store-manufactured food.
Bailey: conventional foods
48:30 Vince: Yeah. The food thing, moving forward, Iād be more than happy to be part of a group of people that advocates for good as a whole. The whole idea of fake ingredients has to be absolved. Youāre killing people. Thereās no nutritional value in it. Itās like they donāt care; the company is too big, a monopoly which shouldnāt exist, and itās controlling the health of your country, because itās about capitalism. Enough is enough. The land can provide. Itās very bothersome to me. People just deserve to eat clean food.
Curenav: Iāve been on your podcast website and Iāll be sharing that resource with my Curenav patients as well. Do you have resources Vince that you may have been able to utilize when you were going through everything? Particularly for people who donāt have the best insurance; or, you were part of a clinical trial, Iām always interested in resources.
Vince: I have a library resource for you; but the clinical trial I actually avoided. They wanted me to stay in Los Angeles because it was in my lung. But my family was in Pittsburgh; I had the best chance of community support, my dad was the HS principal, there were only 600 kids in the whole school, it was a small community. So I had a whole community around to rally around me. My belief that when these people said the prayers out loud, God doesnāt let any prayers go unheard. It served out as an army of angels of putting the law of Godās will out loud. Thereās no way I can die; there are too many people praying for me in this manner that Iām going to survive. It reinforced the thought that Iām not the guy who gets cancer but Iām definitely gonna be the guy who heals from cancer. And that was because of the people and environment around me. Iām very blessed; itās just good fortune. There was none of that I couldāve orchestrated; it was just a blessing.
52:10 Curenav: It is so inspiring because my mother passed away of cancer that was in her pancreas and I always wonder, had I known more... I do question what was the faith in our family; what did we know about diet, what did we know about anything? Knowledge is power, so you are doing a great thing when you are spreading the word with your podcast and Bailey is as well, because there are so many people who have no idea where it starts.
Vince: Yeah, I can agree with that. You feel like youāre lost, almost like a ship without a rudder. You have no sense of direction and your priority has to be about the cancer and getting better. You really want to place your mind in the right spot. But also, for mine, the idea was being weak was when I realized God was strong. It strengthened me in so many ways. It was like this is too heavy, I canāt lift this anymore. When we surrender to Spirit, itās probably the most powerful act we can do of trust. And I wouldnāt know that until I did that, and look at the response. I didnāt see it so much as something courageous as much as I thought it was something I needed to do. Itās like āyou have to do thisā is where I was at.
54:17 Curenav: Well, youāre going to inspire many people, so thank you.
Bailey: Absolutely. Maricel, do you have anything you have to share?
Maricel: Iāll have to re-listen because thereās so much wisdom in your story. What you said is so deep. One thing is that you donāt even look your age, you donāt have grays.
Vince: Theyāre coming in, theyāre coming in.
Maricel (maricel@maricelrocha.com): I think that you have so much to share with people, youāre an example of surrender and surrounding and all the components. It has everything - community, the way you talk to yourself, your mind, your body, give everything to Spirit, joy and gratitude. As you were speaking I was drawing a flower, which was the base to what was the foundation for how you came out of that time. Itās like your story completes all of the parts.
Vince: Wow.
Maricel: Iām really humbled to be a witness of what you just shared and I appreciate you sharing this with us. And what better way to share your story than with a podcast. Iād like to learn more about that.
Vince: Ok. Iām gonna end up teaching people how to do a podcast, I can tell. Itās just the experience Iāve been given. Iām still old school that way; I need to do it first before I can claim to be an expert on the subject. This process has happened rather quickly; we have fifty guests already and Itāll be two years in July; weāre not having trouble finding guests anymore. Itās two-fold, I wanna find the stories and if people reach out who have a story then itās easier for both of us. Thatās something weāre working on for the website. We will have a questionnaire on the website that if you want to do an interview then weāll get back to you.
57:22 Bailey: Vince I have some people I want to send your way to interview.
Vince: Debbie is the one who handles the schedule, so just give her a holler. Weāre working on, one of the companies weāre working on is a company out of Australia that teaches you how to grow your own food. Theyāre doing really well, growing a lot so maybe the beginning of next year we can get them on as a sponsor. Theyāre cancer survivors and wanted to share their story too. But Iād really like to talk more about food on my podcast. We need to make people more aware. Weāre just so consumed with our daily lives and current culture weāre not thinking about what weāre putting in our mouth. Weāre just putting it in our mouth and moving to the next thing and weāre destroying ourselves. And we need to be more mindful of our food, period.
58:38 Bailey: Thatās so true, it makes such a big difference. Vince, is there anything else you think people with cancer or who are survivors looking to prevent a recurrence need to know?
Vince: I think take a strong note of where you were when you got the cancer because I think thatās the biggest difference for myself. Those stresses and thoughts I had prior to becoming sick donāt exist. I feel like Iām new only better; and new because of the experience of the whole thing. Life teaches and thatās the only way to learn. Life is so much fuller, I said it by accident to a friend of mine. He asked āWhatās it like?ā And I said, āThe best way I could describe it is life was 3D, now itās 4k.ā Thereās just so much more going on because my level of awareness is so much greater. When you become more aware youāre more in the present, and thatās where God rests. You feel like you were given the answers to the test, and youāre like, āIt was really this easy all the time? Why did I have to go through that to get here?ā And thatās how our Creator works. If He doesnāt have these tools to teach us, how are we ever going to learn? But you just have to keep reaching toward Him. I always get the statement, the world/life is your teacher. Thatās a pretty interesting statement and you can take it a lot of different ways, but if youāre seeing it through the lens of how God wants to show you it, it becomes completely clear. You become more in touch with your intuitive, your inner voice, your conversation with God gets stronger. Your sense of direction, what you didnāt know instinctively before, you know exactly what to do. How did that happen? Youāve gotten out of the way, your level of connection with your Creator is kicking. Now youāve got a good one going. Now go enjoy it!
1:01:20 Maricel: I just shared a quote in the chat that hit me a couple of weeks ago, and everything you said confirms that. It says, āGod whispers to us in our pleasure, speaks in our conscious, but shouts in our pains. It is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.ā - C.S. Lewis. Itās basically what you just said, Vince. Why do we have to go through that to learn? Because itās needed.
Vince: I also felt it gave me an opportunity to not take myself so seriously. Our God obviously has an incredible sense of humor and itās a great tool when we use it the right way. Looking at ourselves from a different angle helps quite a bit. We donāt know until we do that or the situation forces us to. And so, here we are. Itās all about growing and healing, and if youāre going to get anywhere, do your part. And I find on my side of things, itās self-discipline. If I want to expect results or pray and ask for things then I need to be disciplined to stay the course of what it is youāre seeking. Itās revealed to you. Not necessarily in the ways you think but thatās the whole point. Itās like a map of a treasure hunt. One of the things I write in my prayer journal every day is to act as if my prayers have already been answered and seek what God has waiting for me today. So Iām going out in my day like Iām looking for Godās treasure map. What does He have waiting for me thatās in general? What miracle am I going to witness today? Whatās going to happen that will make me think beyond what my level of thinking was before? And now itās like every day is a present, it is a gift because those things happen when youāre aware and when youāre conscious of them. When youāre walking around in your own thing or thinking youāre going to get rich, youāre all wrong. You focus on your Creator, be grateful youāre alive and watch how life rolls out for you?
1:04:17 Bailey: Vince, is there anything that you would like for us to pray about for you?
Vince: Iāve switched roles, so Iām now healed and my parents are now 87 and 88. My dad has dementia and my mom has a touch of it and Iām taking care of them. We can pray for Godās grace in their lives and being gentle with them and letting them continue to learn in their walk and what theyāre experiencing and that we get to enjoy our time together while we have it.
Bailey: Mind if we pray now?
Vince: Fire away!
Bailey: Dear Lord, what a privilege to come before You, God, our loving, heavenly Father, our Protector, Provider, Comforter, strength, Healer, Friend, Teacher. Father thank You for this precious time together today, hearing about how Vinceās life was changed through cancer and coming into greater relationship/contact/fellowship with You Lord and how his life has been blessed as a result of that. I pray that his story reaches everyone who You intend it to reach, many many people God, who can relate to things that he went through and who will find hope in his story in the way that he presented it. I pray You continue to bless him God, as he delights in You that You give him the desires of his heart, that You protect his health and keep him healthy, keep him on this path that heās on with his nutrition and lifestyle and trust in You. And I pray Lord as heās asked that Youād be with his parents, God, that heād be gentle with them and help them as they experience this dementia and if itās possible to have the dementia go away, whether itās through their nutrition or their lifestyles if theyāre open to it; and I pray that you give Vince the grace and patience to meet them where they are and understand where theyāre coming from and what theyāre dealing with. And that their time together would be sweet as heās caring for them and spending lots of time with them. I pray you bless their home, may Your presence be known there and may others see You there in their home and in Vinceās story and his podcast and each of his guests, and I thank You again so much for this wonderful time, and I pray this wonāt be the last. In Jesusā name I give thanks and pray. Amen.
Vince: Amen. Wow, youāre really good at that.
Bailey: Itās the Spirit of God, that grace of God. Thank you.
1:08:05 Wow guys, amazing. Amazing time together today. Hope you guys can come back soon and thank you again so much, Vince for offering your time to share with us today.
Vince: Let me put my stuff in the chat.
Bailey: Oh yeah, how can people reach you.
Vince: Iām very excited about the podcast, itās been going very well. This is great here doing this with Bailey. Now thatās my email (vinnie@vinniecmarketing.com). Now I have a LinkTree that shows my whole thing here. Iām getting into, Iām coaching. Thatās what I said, Iāll probably end up doing the course and the coaching, teaching people how to start with podcasts. Now that was my email, now here are all my websites:
Home page: https://www.leaveyourmarkvc.com/
Bailey: Your podcast is on lots of different platforms, I noticed.
Vince: I was on, that BuzzSprout, when I published on them I did the premium publish, and they roll it out to 17 different podcast channels. Then you can submit to iHeart music, Amazon music and Pandora. So youāre on all the big channels as well as all the 17. So if people listen to podcasts or theyāre familiar with where to go to listen to a podcast, you can find me. Itās kinda funny, I donāt know, itās like everything is going my way. Iām on the completely other side of life. Before I was misfortunate, now Iām fortunate. Before it was bad luck, now itās good luck. I really feel most gratefulā¦ thatās not my doing again again, thatās my God doing that. Iām enjoying the ride, like never before. Youāll see my social medias, podcasts.
1:10:15 Maricel: How frequently do you have the podcast?
Vince:Right now weāre posting one per week. Iāll mix some people in there like entrepreneurs, I played sports. I was a coachās son, so sports were a big deal to us growing up. I get a lot of athletes on there. I got a couple of Steelers, one announcer - Stan Savran did the Penguins, Pirates and Steelers. Heās been very helpful. Charlie Batch, he played football for the Steelers. Heās big in the local community with autism and he has a school where he teaches kids, so weāre going to interview him. Another one who played for the Steelers was Mel Blount. He has a house for little kids who are orphaned. Those are the stories along the sports weāre finding more interesting.
Bailey: It sounds like a lot of fun.
Vince: It is, I have one today at 7:30. Itās a really sad story, Debbie found them. Itās a little girl, with something like LDMC, itās a disease thatās irreparable. THey only live 2 years after theyāre diagnosed. Generally itās in infants, and theyāre passing away before theyāre 5. Her caregiver is her 11 year old sister. Iāll be interviewing the 11 year old girl about her experience of her little sister before she got sick and now what theyāre going through and Iāll talk to her father. Itās going to be highly emotional. Her survival rate is, the highest you hear, is about 1% of them make it to 5 or 6 years old. Sheās 3 and has been going through this for 8 months now. I feel like this is stuff that needs to be heard. You canāt measure the pain that this father is going through or the 11 year old daughter. And nobody shares this, weāre being blessed to share this. The idea of being the person that gets to share this is an incredible blessing for me. Weāre going to more than run with this. Weāre going to step up and brag on people and their accomplishments of stepping up to lifeās challenges and showing that the human spirit is not measurable. When we decide weāre going to fight back weāre capable of things that are going to knock our socks off.
Bailey: And God who empowers us to do it.
Vince: God and you. God and you is all that you need to be concerned with. You just focus on that and the most incredible, wonderful things will begin to happen for you.
1:13:45 Bailey: Vince, you were gracious to saying yes to sharing your medical records, so you didnāt have them handy, you reached out to your doctors andā¦
Vince: Yeah, I have a set of records and it comes through their service and when I told them I wanted to access them and wanted to share the record they asked what I was doing and I could do it and they asked that I not do it, and I just thought it would just be better to let it go. I could see why they wouldnāt be comfortable with me sharing it. I wouldnāt have a problem with it, itās part of my healing and story; people are in worse condition than myself or not as badā¦ you have something to measure by and it was like, it sounded kinda weird but in the beginning I was looking for someone who had a situation worse than mine and I donāt know why I was doing that but my curiosity was, is if somebody healed who was worse than me then I could definitely heal, but I think that I was seeking that example. So that medical record, I mean, a twelve pound tumor, and itās like, babies arenāt that big. When the guy showed me in the ultrasound what it was, I was looking and thinking are you kidding me? Then itās like internalized going, āThatās in me. Iām totally screwed. I donāt know how Iām going to get through this!ā It was a big white blob. Part of my liver was gone, and it looked like a snake going up my vena cava. He said āhereās your heart, and hereās where the tumor is.ā And the tumor looked like a hand coming up over the top of the heart. And thatās why they were like, āYour days are numbered.ā And Iām like, it was only the grace of God could I get through that. It was so overwhelming I literally laughed, it was like, āI donāt have a chance.ā But I wasnāt scared either though. The part of having no remorse, no regrets, all of this āOh you didnāt do this,ā I already felt like I had already given all that I had in my life at that point. I felt that there was a lot more to go and it was extremely sad if I was going to go, Iām going to die Iām going to go right now. Iām like āMan, I have so much more to give.ā But I was willing to accept my fate. I wasnāt trying to squirm out of it, I guess. Iām prepared to take whatever is going to happen. I donāt know what could prepare you for a 12 hour operation when you wake up on the other side, I didnāt really know what to expect there. I felt like the Jetsons. I was so queer from the drugs and I thought the walls were moving and everything was on wheels and the room was changing and I thought I was flying. It was crazy. The first two days after the operation I was really way out there. I thought I was flying.
1:17:40 Bailey: Yeah, my last surgery was 12 hours also, or almost 12 hours, maybe 11, and I hallucinated when I woke up, from that one, it was not fun.
Vince: Youāll have to watch Dr. Chamieās episode, because he was the lead surgeon.
Bailey: Yeah.
Vince: Now what he does is talk about robotics, and the reason for the amount of doctors is because they tire, and as they tire they donāt focus as well, their hand work..It is a human managing the robot but the robot doesnāt tire and the robot is always precise. Itās better. But if you had a 12 hour surgery, did you have the same doctor the whole time? My [goodness], thatās like a marathon.
1:18:35 Bailey: Yeah. There were a couple of doctors. There is the preparation and then when theyāre winding down as well, so itās not literally 12 hours, start to finish, but. If there are any records you could share with us, that would be awesome. That would really just hammer it home, the magnitudeā¦
1:19:00 Vince: Yeah cause I have some x-rays they sewed my chest back up from my throat to the end of my sternum, is all twist ties. I have four metal ribbons stacked across there to shut my ribcage. Where I had 102ā¦ Iām like a peace sign. Off my rib cage Iām cut almost to my hips. They basically opened me like a potato. That I actually can feel, which x-rayed looks like fish lines. Iāve got maybe theyāre aboutā¦ it looks like itās a knot, tied in a knot with about half an inch in each direction. So I have about an inch of fish lines all the way across my whole belly. There are about 18-20 of those. Now as Iām getting stronger and more into a physical routine I can feel them now. But I donāt know if theyād removed them but again, we were just trying to save my life. Now Iām completely on the other side trying to clean this up. They said theyād dissolve but now itās 6 years later and theyāre showing up on an x-ray. But I marvel at how much the human body can take, knowing what the cancer and the medication put my body through and to be as healthy as I currently am, these are really hard to wrap my mind around. Where you realize, itās your God, and Heās alive in you and Heās given you life and life abundant. And itās like this is how He works, and this is how it goes down here. So, I feel encouraged on so many fronts, thereās no reason to feel bad about anything. And so, this side of life, itās incredibly precious to me now.
Bailey: Absolutely, yep. Awesome, well I think we just finished part two of the interview. It went longer than I was planning but itās really really great, all of it, and will resonate Iām sure for a long time to come. Yeah thanks guys for such a powerful time together today, and Vince, I hope youāll join us again some time soon.
Vince: Yeah it would be my pleasure.
Bailey: Awesome.
Maricel: Thank you Vince, thank you Bailey.
Bailey: Sure thing. Have a great week everyone, God bless you.
Vince: Nice meeting you, Maricel. Alright, bye bye.
Bailey: Bye.
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